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Post by tedburn on Jan 21, 2024 15:35:03 GMT -5
I had this year the 3rd time Chandler fruits. A week ago I tried the first fruit of my Chandlerfruits. This one was now really juicy and sweet nearly no acidic and no bitterness, a lot better than the last two years fruits. But today I tried a smaller fruit and it was bitter/ not ripe. So I think Chandler has really to get harvested at the right time to have good fruits. And not to have to much fruits for the tree size, to get big enough mature fruits. I also had them from November in greenhause with T min 0,5 °C.
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Post by jibro on Jan 22, 2024 9:56:29 GMT -5
It's good to know that in a similar climate, Chandler will ripen into good quality. Did the fruit fall from your Chandler too or did you pick it from the tree and it was already coloured? Your fruit has a lot of seeds, did you pollinate it manually?
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Post by tedburn on Jan 22, 2024 13:41:10 GMT -5
No, it didn't fall and I didn' t pollinate it by hand, but I had a lot of citrus varieties nearby. I picked it to try, because the onces I picked last year in April or May, and they even didn' fall off have been not very juicy and so I knew this year, that I have to pick them about Dec to February. While last year end of January the first fruit of my Valentine Pomfeo felt into my hand by only slightly touching and it was though the first fruit wonderful, juicy and melting red flesh with good balance sweet and nearly no tartness. So every variety is really different. But for sure now it s clear, hhat we also can grow Pomelos in our z7 climate, even with overwintering by 1° C, and thats great.
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Post by jibro on Jan 22, 2024 14:38:18 GMT -5
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Post by tedburn on Jan 22, 2024 16:42:57 GMT -5
Yes also in former years my chandler fruits had seeds by crosspollination. Last year, see my thread here, I pollinated with bloomsweet. I looked now at UCR and found that: Chandler fruits are seedy when cross-pollinated by citrus fruits with viable pollen and seedless when grown in a solid block or in proximity to citrus fruits that are pollen sterile, such as navel oranges and Satsuma mandarin.
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Post by ilya11 on Jan 23, 2024 11:42:04 GMT -5
Jibro, do you know why he is doing it ? To have a lot of seeds? To have more pectin?
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Post by jibro on Jan 23, 2024 12:56:42 GMT -5
He never wrote the reason, just that it's hard work and needs to be done. I'm guessing it must be very important, so the most likely reason could be that the Tosa pomelo needs pollination for increased fruit set...it's a commercial plantation for selling fruits to customers. He harvests them in December and then stores them for a month in a dug trench wooden boxes in the orchard...
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Post by jibro on Jan 24, 2024 9:45:07 GMT -5
Today I tested the fruit of the Sweet Roman Lime aka Patriarch Lime. The fruit weighed 69g and was roughly 5x5 cm. The fruit had 8 flat undeveloped small flat seeds, the taste of the pulp was simply sweet water, the rind had an intense pleasant aroma. I posted a study above where even hybrids of acidless limes with acidless pomelos did not have reduced acidity, so this variety, at least for me, is not a good choice for crossing with poncirus or growing for fruit. I may try to use it for crossing with kumquats sometime in the future, the good rind of this lime might make for an interesting limequat...
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Post by ilya11 on Jan 25, 2024 11:43:21 GMT -5
Tunisians like this variety very much, once I was served it for breakfast
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Post by jibro on Feb 2, 2024 3:00:09 GMT -5
Another interesting hybrid Alizza originated from Orah mandarine x Chandler cross, has 0,7% acids (Chandler 0.8, Orrah 1.1%) looks really nice, super juicy, but a mutation for seedlessness has been induced, probably by radiation or chemically, so we probably won't find seeds in the fruits from the shops and I don't know if it is absolutely sterile or at least the pollen could be used for our citrus hybridization purposes.
Harvest of Alizza fruit in Spain is between December and March.
January: Israel, Spain February: Israel, Spain March: Israel, Spain
It is already grown in Spain so hopefully it will eventually make its way to citrus retailers like Lenzi, Tintori etc.
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Post by jibro on Feb 7, 2024 3:29:18 GMT -5
I'm not too sure if I remembered it correctly, but I read somewhere that the problem with Pomelo pollination may be due to the large size of the pomelo flower compared to small flowered citrus, their pollen was not able to grow through the stigma, but I haven't found the source, so take it with a grain of salt. I found the source and there is also mentioned reason for cross-pollination
Gulripshsky is interesting hybrid Satsuma x pomelo Zucketta? and it is available in EU, Does anyone have experience with this variety? Quality of fruit, rippening time, hardiness etc
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Post by mikkel on Feb 7, 2024 4:13:24 GMT -5
It may be helpful to shorten the stigma of the pomelo flowers when pollinating them with other citrus pollen?
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Post by jibro on Feb 7, 2024 4:33:26 GMT -5
But is it possible to shorten the style and apply pollen to the cut, can successful pollination even occur without stigma? I've googled the procedure, but haven't found anything...
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Post by mikkel on Feb 7, 2024 8:02:41 GMT -5
Some people do this with Passiflora. It also helps to overcome incompatibilities between pollen donor and pollen recipient
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Post by jibro on Feb 7, 2024 8:42:57 GMT -5
So they just cut it short and put pollen on the cut or add something like secret from stigma?..I read some paper where they germinated pollen in a cut off style and used olive oil successfully to moisten the pollen...
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