Hi from France (and Florida)

[clm]

Hi everyone,

I'm new here, but I have known this forum for seceral years.
I live in the south of France.
I had a garden with big citrus trees yuzu, ichang, Satsuma etc. But I recently moved somewhere else (still France, still the south). I'm starting another citrus garden from scracht.

I have Thomasville, Shekwasha, Sambokan, SatsumaS, tavares limequat and some big poncirus on which I'm planning to graft a yuzu and many other cold hardy citrus, mostly Japanese.
Also I rencently switched to FA5 as rootstock as I think they are more suited for my region.
They're all ready to be planted in a month or 2.

The number one reason I'm here is to try to understand how things work in the USA.
I have good friends in Orlando who agreed on driving to Georgia to get the very promising "frost" citrus selected in UGA and maybe send me budwoods.
But how does it work, legislation-wise? Other citrus from Florida would be nice too.
I saw that some on this forum were lucky enough to get budwoods from the frost lemon and I thought they couldn't be sold elsewhere than Georgia. Maybe you could tell me a bit more about this.

Cheers,

Clément

[Sylvain]

It has been a good idea to ask first.

"send me budwoods"."how does it work, legislation-wise?" it is forbidden.

"Georgia","Other citrus from Florida". In these places the greening disease is killing all the citrus!
Do you want to be the one that brought the disease to France?

You could look at Agrumes-Passion.

[clm]

Yes Sylvain, I'm asking because I'm well aware of these sanitary issues.
Of course I want to do it legally, and safely.
One of my friends in Florida is a researcher in biology/ecology. The idea would be to frist test plant materials there with quarantine.

But I saw a post about budwoods of this frost lemon from Georgia. If it's forbidden, how phytosanitary certificates? I'm more interested in the pomelo actually.

[sanguinho]

I don't know if ccpp has the ones that you are looking for, but maybe, or maybe you can get from them the info about import restrictions.

ccpp.ucr.edu/onlineOrdersV2/

Probably it is not a solution for you, but due to import restrictions and difficulties, I try to get seeds when it is possible, fortunately a lot of citrus can be cloned by seeds.

[Laaz]

Welcome to the forum. The "frost" citrus from GA is mostly nonsense... No more cold hardy than the normal citrus.

[clm]

Feb 2, 2022 18:58:16 GMT -5 sanguinho said:

I don't know if ccpp has the ones that you are looking for, but maybe, or maybe you can get from them the info about import restrictions.

I try to get seeds when it is possible, fortunately a lot of citrus can be cloned by seeds.

Thanks a lot!
Yes maybe seed would be easier.

[clm]

Thanks

Feb 2, 2022 21:16:22 GMT -5 Laaz said:

No more cold hardy than the normal citrus.

Goood to know! Do you think it's the case for all of them? I think they selected 6 "frost" citrus.
Did you get fruits already from the lemon ? (Probably too soon).

[Florian]

Feb 2, 2022 21:16:22 GMT -5 Laaz said:

Welcome to the forum. The "frost" citrus from GA is mostly nonsense... No more cold hardy than the normal citrus.

Nearly seedless Changsha and Ichang lemon don't sound like nonsense to me. 

[Laaz]

Try them...

[clm]

OK but how?

[mikkel]

Unfortunately, citrus (plants, scions, seeds and pollen) is banned from import. Even with a phyto certificate it is not allowed. For the import you need an explicit permission with subsequent quarantine. As a private person this is not possible. Unfortunately.

[sanguinho]

Feb 9, 2022 14:21:34 GMT -5 mikkel said:

Unfortunately, citrus (plants, scions, seeds and pollen) is banned from import. Even with a phyto certificate it is not allowed. For the import you need an explicit permission with subsequent quarantine. As a private person this is not possible. Unfortunately.

I don't kwnow if in all Europe, but in Spain and Portugal is as you say.

It is a nosense that in doesn't exists an european organization as CCPP, it is imposible to control all the packages received, and if we don't have the oportunity to get some varieties free of deseases, a few will get then from anywhere and probably with the problems that you want to avoid banning imports.

[Sylvain]

There is the equivalent to CCPP in France. It is INRA which sales clean bud-woods and seeds.

They send to all EU.

[sanguinho]

Feb 11, 2022 11:26:10 GMT -5 Sylvain said:

There is the equivalent to CCPP in France. It is INRA which sales clean bud-woods and seeds.

They send to all EU.

Thanks a lot, I did't know. In Spain exists a very known center named as IVIA, in Valencia, but they don't sell to particulars, even own new varieties that they are testing.

ivia.gva.es/es/experimentacion-con-variedades-ivia

[clm]

sanguinho, that's what I told you in your post. You can order clean budwoods and seeds to INRA.
They have many different satsumas but they don't have so many unconventional citrus.