lia
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Post by lia on Dec 30, 2019 21:16:37 GMT -5
I just noticed this among my FD seedlings I germinated in a tote. It’s very tiny and weird. I hope it doesn’t die. What do you guys think it is?   |
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Post by david on Dec 30, 2019 21:56:56 GMT -5
I plant a lot of poncirus and FD. Sometimes I get strange looking and strange growing seedlings. I have tried to grow them to reproduction bot have failed. They have croaked for no apparent reason. They have sit without growth for years. I have ben dissapointed in them and have thrown them out. I have one that I grew from seed that has tiny leaves and tiny thorns. It is 9 years old and 6 feet tall. Has not bloomed, fruited, grew any in the last two years. It is just there doing nothing. This has been my dealings with weird seedlings in standard poncirus and FD. Let me know if you have better luck.
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Post by Laaz on Dec 31, 2019 6:08:58 GMT -5
Sounds like my variegated flying dragon. It's been in the ground for 15 years & pretty much done nothing. Still about 18 inches tall, leaves out every spring but that's about it.
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Post by david on Dec 31, 2019 9:14:11 GMT -5
From my experience with the subjec matter I have drawn the following conclusion/opinion.
The seedlings that are different from standard seedlings, including white and varigated have a problem. Perhaps the seed contents are incomplete genetically. Perhaps the seed contain too much of some genetic code. I only know that they expire for no apparent reason. They project an unhealthy appearance for part of their life. I have gone to super measures to get one to a healthy, reproductive stage and failed numerous times. I have also monitored seedlings in the wild that were different and have never seen one reach a fruiting stage. I have seen one seedling that was thornless that still lives today (barely) but bears nothing. When you graft it.....failures are numerous and I have not got a graft to survive and prosper. Its a fun experiment to delve into this but........unproductive & mostly dissapointing.
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lia
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Post by lia on Dec 31, 2019 10:27:11 GMT -5
Thank you for the inputs!
I understand that Flying Dragons can give you three types of seedlings, The most vigorous one with straighter thorns like a standard Poncirus, one with more contorted thorns and trunk, and the other one (which is not very often but not rare) that has very short internodes. Am I correct? Now these are what can be expected to sprout from FD seeds. When we get weird looking like the ones on topic, can they be considered as hybrid? They are weird looking because the chromosomes don’t match? Are they hybrids?
I got a tiny one from this batch of seeds. It has very short internodes and very slow growing.
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lia
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Post by lia on Dec 31, 2019 10:31:01 GMT -5
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Post by david on Dec 31, 2019 13:35:21 GMT -5
I do not know if I would name them hybrids but: You can expect about 50% of your seedlings to be true to the cultivar. They will have the curved thorns and the severely contorted form of the FD. The other seedlings that have the look of Standard Poncirus are still good rootstock and can be used as such. I have used some of these and been surprised that they still have some "dwarfing" capabilities. The others, the weird looking ones I discard for the reasons stated in my above post. I have gathered seed from the same groves for many years and have seen lots of variations in them. It is also apparent that poncirus & FD, left to itself will have lots of variations. I do not think they are genetic alterations or genitically sustainable.
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Florian
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Post by Florian on Jan 1, 2020 6:25:16 GMT -5
Also check out this topic on the Tropical Fruit Forum and this paper.
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lia
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Post by lia on Jan 1, 2020 12:14:48 GMT -5
Also check out this topic on the Tropical Fruit Forum and this paper.
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