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Post by steffengot on Jun 3, 2021 0:59:48 GMT -5
Hello everyone,
Does anyone have more information about citrus Mangshangensis? It’s apparently and old species that might be the progenitor of reticulata/daoxianensis. The vesicles inside are round shaped like Australien citrus and the fruit is very seedy. The outside is very pumpy.
It just grows in some mountains areas in southern China.
Is anyone by chance growing this species?
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Post by pagnr on Jun 5, 2021 7:20:01 GMT -5
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Post by mikkel on Jun 5, 2021 16:04:28 GMT -5
This one is interesting, it is called Hovenia-Orange by the translator. are these leaves trifoliat?
edit:
with some google research it seems the name refers to Citranges or something similar. Hovenia Orange is a wrong translation, Google uses Hovenia for Poncirus...
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Post by pagnr on Jun 5, 2021 17:48:23 GMT -5
Yes the leaves of that one are trifoliate, you can see a good one just under the box of script. i1.kknews.cc/SIG=3rspkpg/46q7000143050469s276.jpgMaybe the website labelled the pic wrong, and translation is right ? It is a "trifoliate orange" in character, but maybe not a Poncirus trifoliata. The foliage looks like Poncirus polyandra ?? |
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Post by Sylvain on Jun 6, 2021 11:43:40 GMT -5
I can't see the pictures:
" Error 1020 Ray ID: 65b31387dcdd3311 • 2021-06-06 16:39:21 UTC
Access denied
What happened?
This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks."
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Post by pagnr on Jun 6, 2021 17:28:04 GMT -5
I can open them from here, is it a geolocation issue ? Are you going through a proxy that is doesn't like ??
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Post by ilya11 on Jun 7, 2021 6:03:11 GMT -5
I can't see the pictures: " Error 1020 Ray ID: 65b31387dcdd3311 • 2021-06-06 16:39:21 UTC Access denied What happened? This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks." For me it opens only by Tor browser |
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Post by ilya11 on Jun 7, 2021 6:06:46 GMT -5
It seems that C.mangshangensis is a specie a part only distantly related to Mangshan wild mandarins that are parents of cultivated reticulata. link |
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Post by Sylvain on Jun 8, 2021 1:41:30 GMT -5
Yes it seems C.mangshangensis is used for the mangshanyegan and the wild mandarins of Mangshan. Only mangshanyegan is a pure species. "the term 'Mangshan wild mandarins' as well as the species name C. mangshanensis have been used both for the mangshanyegan and for wild true mandarins of the same region. [3] Genomic sequencing shows the mangshanyegan to be one of a small number of pure (non-hybrid) citrus species, having diverged from other members of the genus at the initial branching of Citrus radiation in the Late Miocene. [4] It is genetically similar to another wild citrus of the region, the yuanju. [3]" wikimili.com/en/Mangshanyegan |
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Post by Sylvain on Jun 8, 2021 1:48:14 GMT -5
I can open them from here, is it a geolocation issue ? Are you going through a proxy that is doesn't like ?? No, I tested with a US VPN and it didn't work either. |
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Post by Laaz on Jun 8, 2021 4:42:07 GMT -5
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Post by mikkel on Jun 8, 2021 5:35:44 GMT -5
For me, sometimes the links work and sometimes they don't. Today it doesn't work.
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Post by pagnr on Jun 8, 2021 17:44:21 GMT -5
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Post by Sylvain on Jun 9, 2021 4:48:48 GMT -5
> Try the Brave browser. brave.com
OK, Otter browser works.
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Post by steffengot on Jun 10, 2021 0:53:18 GMT -5
There are some scientific papers (however in Chinese). So it’s a bit hard to read or even find on the internet. The original paper containing the description of citrus Mangshangensis and citrus daoxianensis is in Latin. But it does not contain so much information. It describes that the pectin content if these fruits is quite different compared to other wild mandarines.
I asked the citrus scientist who made the pictures, which are in the previously mentioned book (the genus Citrus). And he told me that it’s grown in the citrus research center of China. But I do not know more.
There is quite a confusion between the different Chinese ‘wild Mandarines’. And some of them seams to be not so common in the wild. So I think it’s very hard to get seeds or so. I’m still in contact with the Chinese scientist, but I do not have so much hope. Let’s see.
But no one knows someone growing it?
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