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Post by ilya11 on Oct 23, 2020 10:00:02 GMT -5
This year my SRA241 grafted to poncirus gave for the first time several fruits. It is in ground for the last four years, has been flowering several times with no fruits. Its hardiness is rather variable because the dormancy is easily broken by day time temperatures above around +12C. Flowers late April:
Fruits start to develop color in the beginning of October. One of them is yellow now.
The smell of skin is rather faint, piney, completely different from Yuzu
Many seeds, different in coloration from Yuzu, their total weight 10 grams, flesh is not very juicy, 11 gram, not very acid, piney smell, some bitterness comparable to that of grapefruit.
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roberto
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Best Regards from Vienna Roberto
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Post by roberto on Oct 23, 2020 12:14:46 GMT -5
Ilya, what do you think is it? A C.ichangensis hybrid? Looks very nice. Best Regards Robert
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Post by ilya11 on Oct 23, 2020 13:57:36 GMT -5
SRA241 comes from the seeds brought in 1987 from Hochuan, South West Agriculture College / Département Arboriculture - Beibei – Chongqing - Sichuan by one French agriculturist.
It was selected among several seedlings to represent a true pigmented form of C.ichangensis
10- pigmented form of ichangensis 11- white form
He also brought twigs of mother plant that is now SRA687 , it is more dry in the interior of fruits
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Post by citrange on Oct 23, 2020 14:34:28 GMT -5
I have a different form of C. ichangensis, propagated from a tree growing in Ventnor Botanic Garden on the Isle of Wight, just off the South coast of England. My plant is in the open air in my garden where minimum winter temperatures are usually -6C to -10C. The flowers and leaves look identical to Ilya's but the fruit is different. More oval in shape and less bright yellow when ripe - rather a dusky green-yellow colour. The fruit interior is just a mess of stringy pith and embedded seeds with no flesh to taste at all! Usually the seeds are big and fat like Ilya's but this year they are strangely distorted and crumpled. That's a shame because they were promised to a grower in Norway. A few photos below - the ripe fruit fell off the tree this morning. Citrange/Mike linklink
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Post by ilya11 on Oct 23, 2020 15:28:06 GMT -5
Mike, you plant does it have a redish tinge of new growth and flowers?
Your fruit looks like that of "Eisenhut n°83" that does not have new shoot pigmentation.
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Post by citrange on Oct 24, 2020 5:50:42 GMT -5
I don't recall any colouration of new growth and the Eisenhut fruit looks identical to mine.
I seem to have a problem posting photos here.
If I use Firefox they post OK but I'm now getting two copies of each photo. Chrome and Edge won't post a photo and don't display the ones posted via Firefox!
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Post by ilya11 on Oct 24, 2020 6:42:26 GMT -5
I am using Firefox and able to see all photos on this site
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Post by Laaz on Oct 24, 2020 7:08:47 GMT -5
I do not see any pigment in the fruit?
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Post by ilya11 on Oct 24, 2020 8:39:15 GMT -5
Purple anthocyanin is formed in new shoots and flowers, not fruits. The same as in most lemon varieties.
is an article on the variation of anthocyanin formation during citrus domestication
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Post by Laaz on Oct 24, 2020 10:45:40 GMT -5
Definitely a hybrid.
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Post by ilya11 on Oct 24, 2020 13:45:55 GMT -5
Why?
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Post by Laaz on Oct 24, 2020 14:23:56 GMT -5
True Citrus ichangensis should have very little if any real juice. The inside is mostly pith. That looks like a hybrid with a yuzu, or hybrid like yuzu. The ichangensis here, have a lemon shape & very rough peel.
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Post by ilya11 on Oct 24, 2020 16:40:54 GMT -5
No pith is a feature of some non pigmented Ichang Papeda, for the pith of pigmented one, see the Chinese photos above.
Leaves and fruits of SRA241 even distantly have no smell characteristic of Yuzu. Another pigmented variety of ichangensis- IVIA-358:
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Post by Laaz on Oct 24, 2020 20:24:17 GMT -5
Yes, but these are all hybrids of true Citrus ichangensis...
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Post by mikkel on Oct 25, 2020 1:45:50 GMT -5
Mike, you plant does it have a redish tinge of new growth and flowers?
Your fruit looks like that of "Eisenhut n°83" that does not have new shoot pigmentation.
some other Ichang Papeda from the wild look even different from all these www.ingentaconnect.com/content/jpgr/jpgr/2012/00000013/00000006/art00002#the pulpless clone from Eisenhut which could be the same as "Arboretum Florida" Arboretum Florida is originally brought to Europe by B.Voss from Florida. Probably Winterhaven. Maybe US clones tend to be pulpless? |
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