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Post by ilya11 on Apr 10, 2020 11:54:08 GMT -5
Fifteen years ago I germinated several seeds collected from FD growing in Brookside Gardens, Maryland. The mother plant was rather dwarf and no other ponciruses or its hybrids were growing in vicinity.
I planted without division two twin seedlings from one seed. At this point they were almost the same in appearance. They grow very slowly and now are both flowering for the first time.
Their height is similiar and aside from the different size of their leaves they look like typical Flying Dragons.
The plant with flowers on the upper left part of the photo has very narrow leaves and started to flower well ahead my other ponciruses, almost two weeks ago. It has a very small flowers that are creamy in the beginning. Its sibling is on the bottom left , it does has leaves and flowers similiar to other Flying Dragons
From left to right: flowers of a regular large flower poncirus, tiny flower FD, its sibling and my another Flying Dragon
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Post by ilya11 on Apr 10, 2020 11:56:32 GMT -5
Tiny flower FD:
Its sibling:
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Post by jibro on Apr 12, 2020 5:39:08 GMT -5
Interesting results, it looks like one with bigger flowers is nucellar clone and second maybe inbred from self-pollination? I wonder if the small flower clone will have also very small fruits, perhaps bellow 3 cm... I also have one very dwarf FD seedling, with first very small flower this year. Seedling germinated in spring 2017 and it's height is only 24cm (9.4 inches), flower has width only 0,5 cm(0,2 inches) Attachments:
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Post by ilya11 on Apr 12, 2020 6:36:05 GMT -5
Jiri, no flower petals or they just gone?
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Post by jibro on Apr 12, 2020 6:56:14 GMT -5
No white flower petals at all, I have another pictures of undeveloped flower, Seedling had 3 flowers, but two has dropped before they were fully open...
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Post by jibro on Sept 3, 2020 13:28:58 GMT -5
It looks like I really found precocious Flying Dragon, this seedling has 3 flowers again right now  and there are more unopened flower buds, no white flower petals again...
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Post by ilya11 on Sept 4, 2020 3:15:27 GMT -5
It seems that its stems and spines are not curved.
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Post by jibro on Sept 4, 2020 4:37:40 GMT -5
Mother tree of this seedling is my Flying dragon, I am sure there was no cross pollination with other citrus or trifoliata:
This mother tree gives every year ~ 10-15% more vigorous regular trifoliata seedlings, you are right about spines of this precocious FD, but branches grow more horizontally and are curved, some spines are very slightly curved too, maybe it is somewhere between Flying dragon and poncirus trifoliata. but more importantly Flying Dragon sounds better it is wery dwarf, leaves are red in autumn and even flowers have some reddish tone so I named it Flying Dragon "Red Dwarf" so ssh
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Post by Sylvain on Sept 4, 2020 17:09:41 GMT -5
> This mother tree gives every year ~ 10-15% more vigorous regular trifoliata seedlings This is the normal way it goes. The genetic of transmitting the FD character is complex. It implies three genes, one on the chromosomes and two in the chloroplasts or mitochondria. I don't remember exactly but I'm sure Ilya11 will find the article. |
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Post by ilya11 on Sept 5, 2020 3:24:32 GMT -5
Chinese variant of precocious poncirus genetically is very close to FD.
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Post by ilya11 on Sept 5, 2020 3:27:35 GMT -5
Chinese variant of early maturing poncirus is very close genetically to FD
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Post by jibro on Sept 5, 2020 6:14:56 GMT -5
What? Chinese already have it? My plans to sell it on Ebay as "Very Rare Bonsai tree" are ruined  
Any idea what happens if you cross regular poncirus(as seed parent) x Flying Dragon, is it any chance to get some seedlings with FD appearance?
I was planing to cross selected more edible poncirus together and this seems to me like only chance how to recognize possible zygotic seedling, I do have one FD with better taste.
Ilya does your tiny FD have some fruits this year?
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Post by ilya11 on Sept 5, 2020 10:48:17 GMT -5
For me your tree is not a typical Hiryu, that is midget with a spreading habit. Is it grafted on PT?
FD is a very particular variety with a complex mode of inheritance.
I have both in pdf, if you fail to download the first article I can send it by mail.
No fruits this year, probably by my fault, I was trying to produce too many hybrids with it.  |
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Post by ilya11 on Sept 5, 2020 10:54:52 GMT -5
More reading on early maturing in PT |
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Post by sanguinho on Sept 5, 2020 16:37:41 GMT -5
What? Chinese already have it? My plans to sell it on Ebay as "Very Rare Bonsai tree" are ruined Any idea what happens if you cross regular poncirus(as seed parent) x Flying Dragon, is it any chance to get some seedlings with FD appearance? I was planing to cross selected more edible poncirus together and this seems to me like only chance how to recognize possible zygotic seedling, I do have one FD with better taste. Ilya does your tiny FD have some fruits this year?
Wow, it's very cool but the name is coolest. Red Dwarf TV Serie   Flying Dragon Red Dwarf Seriously, I love those leaves, I wish I had one. |
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and there are more unopened flower buds, no white flower petals again...
