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Post by MarcV on Jul 24, 2019 14:53:32 GMT -5
I remember talking about the tarocco vigo on the old forum, a tarocco variety with very dark flesh. I found a recent thread on an italian forum about it with some comments from mr. Vigo who discovered the variety. Translated via google...
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Post by samodelkin on Jul 24, 2019 15:09:42 GMT -5
It's a very colored blood orange.  |
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Post by david on Jul 24, 2019 15:12:01 GMT -5
Interesting. I love pigmented citrus. Red, purple and shades in between
Love the berry flavor that many have.
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Post by Pancrazio on Jul 29, 2019 18:19:04 GMT -5
Gotta say, as hobbyist and as possible customer of Mr. Vigo's plants, my brief interaction with him hasn't been very pleasant. Since the variety gonna be patented, I don't think we are going to see anything, and at this point, I don't care much. All in all some other heavily pigmented taroccos already exists.
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Post by radoslav on Jul 30, 2019 0:10:36 GMT -5
Gotta say, as hobbyist and as possible customer of Mr. Vigo's plants, my brief interaction with him hasn't been very pleasant. Since the variety gonna be patented, I don't think we are going to see anything, and at this point, I don't care much. All in all some other heavily pigmented taroccos already exists. All this stuff with cultivar patents is going ad absurdum. When I read for example conditions for Orri trees sale in Spain, fees on each tree, limits of tree number per farm atc... When I asked italian nursery for Orri and Tango, they said ok, but only for italian customer and minimum order 100 trees. The same with new kiwi cultivars. Soon, it will be impossible to buy tree for backyard, or if only from short list of cultivars. I read, that there are plans for seeds sale, which put all seeds production under control of few corporations and usage of "uncertified" seeds will be banned and ordinery backyard grower will be fully addicted on the will of those corporations. |
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Post by david on Jul 30, 2019 3:57:08 GMT -5
It is about to tbat point now. Certified seed and budwood can be gotten from only a few sourced. These sources are very expensive and not geared to home citrus growers.
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Post by kelley on Jul 30, 2019 4:09:06 GMT -5
Gotta say, as hobbyist and as possible customer of Mr. Vigo's plants, my brief interaction with him hasn't been very pleasant. Since the variety gonna be patented, I don't think we are going to see anything, and at this point, I don't care much. All in all some other heavily pigmented taroccos already exists. Have you tried the ippolito? I’ve heard it’s very dark with exceptional flavor. |
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Post by Pancrazio on Jul 30, 2019 4:25:54 GMT -5
Gotta say, as hobbyist and as possible customer of Mr. Vigo's plants, my brief interaction with him hasn't been very pleasant. Since the variety gonna be patented, I don't think we are going to see anything, and at this point, I don't care much. All in all some other heavily pigmented taroccos already exists. All this stuff with cultivar patents is going ad absurdum. When I read for example conditions for Orri trees sale in Spain, fees on each tree, limits of tree number per farm atc... When I asked italian nursery for Orri and Tango, they said ok, but only for italian customer and minimum order 100 trees. The same with new kiwi cultivars. Soon, it will be impossible to buy tree for backyard, or if only from short list of cultivars. I read, that there are plans for seeds sale, which put all seeds production under control of few corporations and usage of "uncertified" seeds will be banned and ordinery backyard grower will be fully addicted on the will of those corporations. The entire concept of intellectual property on clones is both morally questionable and logically not sound. Take the bud sports. You find them by dumb luck and you can't force create them or use your creativity to create more.
I's just a matter of "how much plants do I screen" to find one. If you screen a lot of them you are going to find some bud sport sooner or later, and i don't see why such kind of luck should be rewarded by law. Unless of course you want to help corporation by giving them a bigger share of profits at expenses of the public.
"But patents incentive the creation of new cultivars" is the most common comment. Which is clearly untrue since most of the cultivars we have now were selected before the biological patents were allowed, and plant selection took places also in ages where the money wasn't invented yet. Plant selection has always been driven by the desire of better plants, not patent. Patent has been put in place to legitimate the appropriation by someone of something that earlier was ours. Extensive plant research should be performed by public centers, and results should be available to anyone. Such stuff is too important to let some CEO decide for everyone else.
That being said, the law exists and we have to abide, but the facts that such law exists doesn't mean that is a good one or makes for the public interest.
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Post by Pancrazio on Jul 30, 2019 4:31:35 GMT -5
Gotta say, as hobbyist and as possible customer of Mr. Vigo's plants, my brief interaction with him hasn't been very pleasant. Since the variety gonna be patented, I don't think we are going to see anything, and at this point, I don't care much. All in all some other heavily pigmented taroccos already exists. Have you tried the ippolito? I’ve heard it’s very dark with exceptional flavor.
It's good, and i have a plant, on poncirus, in ground, but it's very small now. Will take few years before making some fruits (if ever, my place is traditionally thought to be too cold for citrus growing, but at least this should help with pigmentation). The one i have had however weren't very dark, but see, sometimes the darkness of fruits varies a lot depending on season and place of growth of the plants, so don't cite me on that.
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