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Post by kelley on Aug 16, 2019 5:14:50 GMT -5
There is a guy on one of the citrus Facebook groups that successfully reversed the effects of greening in one of his trees, using zinc nano particles and brassinolide. I have invited him to this forum to share his findings. Here’s a video he also shared: youtu.be/JQmmWb2dEog
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Post by david on Aug 16, 2019 5:29:54 GMT -5
I have seen this before. I am unsure as to the treatment as a cure. Willing to study it and wish him to shed some light on it. Hope he gets into the forum. Show me the money.
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Post by hardyvermont on Aug 16, 2019 9:11:27 GMT -5
I've been told that compost tea works to control greening. The video posted above points out the reason that could be true.
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Post by david on Aug 16, 2019 9:19:57 GMT -5
Good read. I use a compost tea and a little epsom salt wash for my container limes. Works for me.
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Post by millet on Aug 21, 2019 16:45:39 GMT -5
Its strange that the above guy knows a "cure" for greening that is as simple as the zinc treatment, but the greatest scientists in the world don't? He could be the 9 or 10th internet greening cure inventor that I have come across over the years. The trees are still dying dying dying.
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Post by david on Aug 21, 2019 17:40:42 GMT -5
Very strange. If scientists can not/have not found a cure I do not think this guy has. Manure tea has been used for many years here and for thousands of years in other countries, countries with severe greening. As you stated trees are still going away.
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Post by kelley on Aug 21, 2019 21:01:29 GMT -5
I’m not defending this guy at all, because I am very skeptical as well, but he claims the zinc solution is treating the symptoms, not curing it of greening. Also, I think it’s way too early to tell if the symptoms will be kept at bay long term.
Note: he agrees with the conspiracy that scientists refuse to give up the funding to truly find a cure. Another load of manure, of course.
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Post by isaac1 on Aug 22, 2019 1:15:45 GMT -5
From what I have seen, heat treatment seems to be the only viable potential cure / treatment that might be accessible to home citrus growers. This involves tenting and holding an effected tree at a controlled temperature of around 105 degrees F constantly for some 48 hours. There are also other thermal treatment methods that involve exposing the tree to steam for a much shorter period of time, but also seems to be much less effective. This seems simple enough to me if one has a large enough heated forced air source and accurate thermostat to control it. Of course this treatment is not all that practical for a large orchard. See agresearchmag.ars.usda.gov/2013/aug/citrus
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Post by millet on Aug 22, 2019 9:23:25 GMT -5
From what I read, the heat treatment does not actually cure the tree's HLB, but does greatly knock it back. HLB eventually develops back, so another heat treatment would be required. Again and again.
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Post by david on Aug 22, 2019 10:02:24 GMT -5
I have read all there is to know about hlb I think. I see no cure at the present or in the immediate future. Several experimental treatments such as the heat treatment and inoculation have only delayed the progression. Some of these processes put in front of citrus growers are hoaxes. Some are vain attempts to take credit for the "discovery" of the cure. Some are genuine trial and error research to find the cure. The emerging truth is: There is no cure at the present.
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Post by dlhvac on Oct 29, 2019 10:26:21 GMT -5
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Post by dlhvac on Oct 29, 2019 11:14:24 GMT -5
I have read all there is to know about hlb I think. I see no cure at the present or in the immediate future. Several experimental treatments such as the heat treatment and inoculation have only delayed the progression. Some of these processes put in front of citrus growers are hoaxes. Some are vain attempts to take credit for the "discovery" of the cure. Some are genuine trial and error research to find the cure. The emerging truth is: There is no cure at the present. have you read all I just posted
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Post by david on Oct 29, 2019 13:10:21 GMT -5
Yes sir I have. If this is a cure, and I am skeptical, then the brightest citrus minds in the world would be on it like white on rice. To test any "cure" will take many years and generations of citrus. In a few short years one can not proclaim "cure". One can only say, I created a slow down of disease progression. There are many theories and "cures" for hlb on the internet.....in fact you can read pro and con statements, trials, experiments and opinions or just about anything you desire as to hlb.....but the truth is standing tall.....Trees are still leaving us, new cases appear daily and the great citrus groves are small and dying. Sorry that I do not see this as a cure. When a cure is found and implemented I shall be the chorus boy that stands and exclaims "EUREKA".
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Post by millet on Oct 29, 2019 15:50:23 GMT -5
In reading most all of the above, one thought lingers in my mind, and that is the huge amount of money given to the researchers. There is an old saying "Show me the MONEY. I am not saying that possible cures are being hidden, so that the researchers can continue to obtain a whole lot of funding, but money has caused a lot of hanky panky. Most of the above advances written above have helped the tree, but whether they will be a cure time will tell.
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Post by dlhvac on Oct 29, 2019 20:44:40 GMT -5
In reading most all of the above, one thought lingers in my mind, and that is the huge amount of money given to the researchers. There is an old saying "Show me the MONEY. I am not saying that possible cures are being hidden, so that the researchers can continue to obtain a whole lot of funding, but money has caused a lot of hanky panky. Most of the above advances written above have helped the tree, but whether they will be a cure time will tell. [/nifa.usda.gov/web/crisprojectpages/1005557-zinkicide-a-nanotherapeutic-for-hlb.html Forgot the main one
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